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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2014, 19:54:03 »
Culture counts for a lot. People can see exactly the same data and draw entirely different conclusions from it based on their "cultural" background and biases.

So while the masses of information about Canada and the "West" might make an impression on some or even many of the various on line monitors working for the Chinese government, military and intelligence services, the analysis is filtered and digested by people who are going to see it in a very particular way. This is equally true of Iranian, Russian or even French people monitoring Army.ca.

This is not to say that Infosec can be discounted, simply that what is coming out the other end might look rather strange to us.
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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2014, 20:54:53 »
Well, shyt.  We're famous...

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2014, 16:41:07 »
You would be surprised how much people can learn from open source intel. We shouldnt give people more then they need.

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2014, 16:44:37 »
Yet, Monitor Mass is on an unclass system.  Want to get the whole CAF readiness state? 

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2014, 20:17:43 »
Yet, Monitor Mass is on an unclass system.  Want to get the whole CAF readiness state?

From what I've seen of MM that would be the greatest deception plan since Operation Fortitude.

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2014, 20:22:40 »
From what I've seen of MM that would be the greatest deception plan since Operation Fortitude.

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2014, 22:28:50 »
...foreign parties are in fact trolling Army.ca...

Our adversaries will presume that the CAF is the employer of choice for the indecisive, the illiterate, the self-entitled......and some who are medically unsuitable, but we should take them anyway.

Not sure if this is our best deception plan.    :-\

Perhaps the PLA will undertake its own new boot procurement modelled on what it has learned on Army.ca?

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2014, 22:40:40 »
An enemy who counts on Monitor Mass for our readiness is more foolish than us counting on Monitor Mass for the same.
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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2014, 22:45:24 »
Maybe now, but there is a definite push in that direction: from when people are on leave to which qualifications individuals have to their personal readiness.

It is all available now, but not in a centralized place, like MM.

For the very same reasons, aircrews implemented Flight Pro on the Air Force Tactical Network.

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2014, 22:57:26 »
My point is that checklists bear no relation to readiness.
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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2014, 23:09:57 »
You folks will bear the brunt when NDHQ's "Monitor Mass Rocks" guy comes back online ......   :nod:
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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2014, 23:11:29 »
I am not talking about checklists

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2014, 23:38:28 »
You folks will bear the brunt when NDHQ's "Monitor Mass Rocks" guy comes back online ......   :nod:

Maybe he's a PLA operative trying to get people to post about all the features of Monitor Mass?

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2014, 07:17:16 »
Our adversaries will presume that the CAF is the employer of choice for the indecisive, the illiterate, the self-entitled......and some who are medically unsuitable, but we should take them anyway.

Not sure if this is our best deception plan.    :-\


Perhaps the PLA will undertake its own new boot procurement modelled on what it has learned on Army.ca?


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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2014, 16:15:24 »
Excerpt from Sir Humphrey at Thin Pinstriped Line (most of post is about Brits using OSINT including social media):

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 The final thought on this is that OSINT is a two way street and that the current and next generation of recruits in the military will perhaps have to learn the hard way that their Facebooks, Twitters, Snapchats and other social media represent a real security risk and intelligence bonanza. Having grown up in a world where social interaction is instantaneous, and sharing one message across a broad spectrum of friends is taken for granted, trying to explain to them that tweeting locations, or messaging about what they are doing on board a vessel can be a dangerous thing to do, is perhaps a very challenging task.  One only has to do a cursory look at most social media sites to find it possible to build a profile of what many Western military units are doing simply by following the Twitter and Facebook profiles. In the 1970s onwards, personal security was about having as anonymous a presence as possible on the streets. Today we need to ensure that our next generation of military personnel understand that this also must translate into as anonymous an online presence as possible when it comes to talking about what their work or unit is doing.

This is perhaps a major cultural challenge facing most Western militaries in trying to explain to a new generation of linked in individuals that careless talk can easily cost lives. Posting when you come alongside and are planning a run ashore, or linking photos of your child’s first day at school to your open account places a huge personal security risk on the individual and their family. The MOD has done an absolutely superb campaign highlighting the risks of too much information sharing online, but it may take some time for people to realise just how much they are giving away. The irony is that people who take their jobs so seriously, and are passionate about protection of classified material at work see nothing inherently wrong in talking online about their units activities or ships forthcoming programme.

The recent news from the Ukraine, where taped conversations between US officials were leaked highlights that the collection threat has not gone away, and that even very high level communications are open to interception. Perhaps more intriguingly, the fact that a foreign Government was willing to sacrifice the particular source, intentionally denying itself future collection from what was presumably a valuable source is very interesting and raises further questions. What is does show though is that the threat has not gone away, and that publicising locations, deployments, expected return dates and information like pictures onboard ship will help hostile powers build a much better picture of intentions, capabilities and help them take actions that may not be in our interests...
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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2014, 18:56:08 »
- Well, whoever is reading this, I just wish they would sell us some trucks...
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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2014, 19:10:09 »
- Well, whoever is reading this, I just wish they would sell us some trucks...

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2014, 19:36:10 »
Bombardier already got rich, it's now someone elses turn.....      :rofl:

White Trucks (Western Star) did as well.
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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2014, 14:21:47 »
On a serious note, I well remember sitting in on a hot wash from a "Storming Bear" exercise with 2 (EW) Sqn from 1 CDHSR and what I heard was actually pretty spine tingling...they'd done psych profiling on some of the unit/sub-unit leadership based on electronic eavesdropping and were able to figure out the weak links based solely on listening in on people talking to each other, their choices of words and inflection in their voices.  Forget all the other stuff they found out because people weren't being brief, using veiled speech, etc on insecure radio and cell phone nets.  I'm sure if the exercise went on any longer, they'd have started in trying to do some Tom Foolery on the net using that information.

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2014, 15:53:11 »
What!  I had a free psych eval and no one let me know.  Damn!  I wonder how I faired?
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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2014, 00:11:07 »
What!  I had a free psych eval and no one let me know.  Damn!  I wonder how I faired?

Quite possibly...do you still use/need your tin foil hat?

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2014, 01:14:40 »
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What!  I had a free psych eval and no one let me know.  Damn!  I wonder how I faired?
Quite possibly...do you still use/need your tin foil hat?
I'm glad you phrased those separately - Need?  yes.   Use?   :dunno:
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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2014, 08:20:35 »
Quite possibly...do you still use/need your tin foil hat?

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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2014, 15:47:10 »
What!  I had a free psych eval and no one let me know.  Damn!  I wonder how I faired?

Well, if the boys in the fun white jackets didn't come get you; you must have passed.
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Re: Foreign Interest in Army.ca
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2014, 15:50:06 »
If anyone needs one I got spares.......ya know.....for the apocalypse.

Wow! You guys can afford tin foil hats? Our budget has been slashed so deep we can't even afford to pay attention.
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