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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2013, 08:28:09 »
I know Brihard will protest that he didn't do it alone, and while that's true ~ we never do much that's really worthwhile alone, do we? ~ he took the initiative, he took the lead and that's what made it all happen. BZ, indeed!
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2013, 17:13:44 »
I co-taught a first aid course today at an army reserve unit and the CO (on course) insisted the CSR chapter be covered.

With the most instructional experience, I took the lead on covering it and drove home the message
to look out for each other, speak up and the help, support is there.
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2013, 18:09:30 »
I co-taught a first aid course today at an army reserve unit and the CO (on course) insisted the CSR chapter be covered.

With the most instructional experience, I took the lead on covering it and drove home the message
to look out for each other, speak up and the help, support is there.

Send up the count  :salute:
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2013, 19:02:07 »
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1055930

Good job, Brihard.

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Edited at add: And thanks to CTV News for helping to tell Canadians about this.
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2013, 19:58:16 »
Good job, Brihard.

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Edited at add: And thanks to CTV News for helping to tell Canadians about this.

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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2013, 19:58:50 »
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1055930

Good job, Brihard.

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Edited at add: And thanks to CTV News for helping to tell Canadians about this.

I echo both sentiments!   :salute:
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2013, 20:01:14 »
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1055930

Good job, Brihard.

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Edited at add: And thanks to CTV News for helping to tell Canadians about this.

Fantastic!  :nod:
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2013, 20:15:44 »
Well done. 

 And E.R.C.......Thanks for the link.
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2013, 08:57:57 »
Ditto et al and shared

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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2013, 10:11:03 »
We see what is happening here and on Facebook; I thought I would share a glimpse of what else is going on at the grassroots level. I spoke with my parents today who are both very active in Unit #95 ANAVETS. As you may recall, Dominion HQ has sent "Send Up The Count" to Units all across Canada. Anyway, Unit #95 e-mailed it to every member; understanding that not all of their members are into e-mail or Facebook, they are handing out hard copies to all members at the next meeting. It has also been circulated to the Town Police Department and Ambulance service, RCMP Detachment (who were also sending it to Division HQ in Fredericton), 89th Field Battery (the local Militia Unit) and lots of other entities as well. It has been well-received and everyone involved is actively distributing through their respective networks...
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #60 on: December 08, 2013, 10:34:48 »
We see what is happening here and on Facebook; I thought I would share a glimpse of what else is going on at the grassroots level. I spoke with my parents today who are both very active in Unit #95 ANAVETS. As you may recall, Dominion HQ has sent "Send Up The Count" to Units all across Canada. Anyway, Unit #95 e-mailed it to every member; understanding that not all of their members are into e-mail or Facebook, they are handing out hard copies to all members at the next meeting. It has also been circulated to the Town Police Department and Ambulance service, RCMP Detachment (who were also sending it to Division HQ in Fredericton), 89th Field Battery (the local Militia Unit) and lots of other entities as well. It has been well-received and everyone involved is actively distributing through their respective networks...

That's fantastic, thank you. Would you like me to forward you my contact info in case anyone in any of those organizations wants to get in touch with me?

By chance do you have a link to anything ANAVETS has published/sent out so I can take a look? Just for my SA.
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #61 on: December 08, 2013, 12:13:55 »
While I agree and fully support this initiative to reach out to vets who might be dealing with PTSD or OSI, I think it is equally important to remember that there are vets who need our help in other ways. Those who were released or retired solely because of physical limitations and have faded into anonymity. Vets who ended their service on good terms, but to whom time has not been a friend.

We need to be careful reach out to all vets who have lost connection with the greater veteran community, struggling or not.

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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #62 on: December 08, 2013, 12:18:44 »
While I agree and fully support this initiative to reach out to vets who might be dealing with PTSD or OSI, I think it is equally important to remember that there are vets who need our help in other ways. Those who were released or retired solely because of physical limitations and have faded into anonymity. Vets who ended their service on good terms, but to whom time has not been a friend.

We need to be careful reach out to all vets who have lost connection with the greater veteran community, struggling or not.

Send up the count.


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Thanks for that reminder, especially at this time of year.
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2013, 12:56:22 »
While I agree and fully support this initiative to reach out to vets who might be dealing with PTSD or OSI, I think it is equally important to remember that there are vets who need our help in other ways. Those who were released or retired solely because of physical limitations and have faded into anonymity. Vets who ended their service on good terms, but to whom time has not been a friend.

We need to be careful reach out to all vets who have lost connection with the greater veteran community, struggling or not.

Send up the count.

I agree with ERC, an excellent post. This is important not just due to the time of year, but these older vets are now for the most far removed from their old service lives and connections and the related the support systems, both official and unoficial and/or do not know of them. In many ways that could make them even more vulnerable. How many will we miss in our count?
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2013, 13:57:00 »
It has also been circulated to the Town Police Department and Ambulance service, RCMP Detachment (who were also sending it to Division HQ in Fredericton), 89th Field Battery (the local Militia Unit) and lots of other entities as well.

I forwarded it to our CREMS (Community Referrals by EMS) program.

Referrals to CREMS are made by Paramedics who respond to 9-1-1 calls based on a determination that a patient is in need of additional healthcare or support services.



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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2013, 14:03:02 »
I agree with ERC, an excellent post. This is important not just due to the time of year, but these older vets are now for the most far removed from theor old service lives and conncetions and the related the support systems, both official and unofficial and/or do not know of them. In many ways that could make them even more vulnerable. How many will we miss in our count?

I have interviews today with CBC TV and radio, and Sun TV. Hopefully the CBC one in particular will reach many of those.
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2013, 20:41:15 »
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/veteran-finally-gets-his-medals/2916412301001


Aaaand here's the Sun interview. CBC to follow likely tomorrow.

Starts at 3:47 for anyone wanting to skip the stolen valour part.

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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #68 on: December 11, 2013, 05:49:24 »
I don't know much, certainly nowhere near enough, about OSIs, PTSD, and so on, but I do know a bit about how the media follows a story ... and why.

I also don't know much about how the CF, and the public healthcare system at large, reacts to and treats OSIs, but I do now a bit about people.

The great thing about "Send up the count" is that it is "one-to-one" or "peer to peer" and it doesn't need any formal organization or money or anything else: just a tiny bit of good will and individual effort.

It is sad to say, but I suspect this story doesn't have "legs," as media people say ... it is here because of a small spate of human tragedies and some reaction to them, including "Send up the count." It also provides a stick with which the media can prod government ministers in the hopes of provoking a misstatement and "Gotcha!"*

All of us, it's not a strength or weakness issue, can be lonely and that can turn, too easily, into a sense of isolation and that, I guess, can lead to clinical depression and a whole host of associated risks. The genius of "Send up the count" is that it addresses the root cause: it provides someone to whom a person can talk, privately and confidently, about whatever is bothering them. (As far as I know I don't have any "issues," but I was just at an event with a bunch of fellows of about my age and experience ~ infantry dinosaurs! ~ and I can talk to them in ways that I cannot talk with younger friends, my doctor or even my family.) It's the whole "shared experiences" thing and it works for everyone. We soldiers, have bonds with other soldiers that are incredibly strong, even after years and years, even after decades.

Just because the media attention to OSIs/PTSD etc will wane doesn't mean that we should stop "Sending up the count." Reaching out to old comrades in arms, offering a hand, or just an ear, is always a good thing.

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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #69 on: December 11, 2013, 12:02:37 »
I don't know much, certainly nowhere near enough, about OSIs, PTSD, and so on, but I do know a bit about how the media follows a story ... and why.

I also don't know much about how the CF, and the public healthcare system at large, reacts to and treats OSIs, but I do now a bit about people.

The great thing about "Send up the count" is that it is "one-to-one" or "peer to peer" and it doesn't need any formal organization or money or anything else: just a tiny bit of good will and individual effort.

It is sad to say, but I suspect this story doesn't have "legs," as media people say ... it is here because of a small spate of human tragedies and some reaction to them, including "Send up the count." It also provides a stick with which the media can prod government ministers in the hopes of provoking a misstatement and "Gotcha!"*

All of us, it's not a strength or weakness issue, can be lonely and that can turn, too easily, into a sense of isolation and that, I guess, can lead to clinical depression and a whole host of associated risks. The genius of "Send up the count" is that it addresses the root cause: it provides someone to whom a person can talk, privately and confidently, about whatever is bothering them. (As far as I know I don't have any "issues," but I was just at an event with a bunch of fellows of about my age and experience ~ infantry dinosaurs! ~ and I can talk to them in ways that I cannot talk with younger friends, my doctor or even my family.) It's the whole "shared experiences" thing and it works for everyone. We soldiers, have bonds with other soldiers that are incredibly strong, even after years and years, even after decades.

Just because the media attention to OSIs/PTSD etc will wane doesn't mean that we should stop "Sending up the count." Reaching out to old comrades in arms, offering a hand, or just an ear, is always a good thing.

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The commander-in-chief of the Canadian Forces says the military and country must do more to treat post-traumatic stress disorder and prevent suicides among soldiers, explaining a “stiff upper lip” attitude needs to be overcome to help treat soldiers and veterans with mental illness.

In an exclusive interview with Postmedia News, Gov. Gen. David Johnston says the country has “paid a considerable price” for the Afghanistan war, including losing 158 soldiers, with many other troops coming home with lost limbs and mental scars.

After four Canadian military suicides were reported in the span of a week, Gov. Gen. Johnston said he regularly discusses with military brass concerns over PTSD and mental illness among soldiers, and insists that “one suicide is one too many.”

Chief of the Defence Staff General Tom Lawson was at Rideau Hall this week and said he is “very concerned” about PTSD and suicides in the military,  Gov. Gen. Johnston said.

“We have a unique situation where people in uniform often feel that it’s kind of stiff upper lip and you suck it up. And we have to overcome that notion, so that they, like anyone else, recognizes that mental illness is an illness like a physical illness, and you identify it, you deal with it, bring it out in the open, and you get at it to attempt to cure it, as we can in the overwhelming majority of cases,” Gov. Gen. Johnston said in a wide-ranging interview at Rideau Hall, in which he also discussed subjects from diplomacy to education.

“There must be a great sense of responsibility to our men and women in uniform, while in uniform, and when they become civilians again, right down to their base — the people that are with them on a daily basis. And I think we have a ways to go in that.”
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Re: "Send Up The Count" [Please read and send out the word]
« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2013, 18:22:48 »
A Hamilton radio station did a story on SUTC, and they gave me a fair bit more time to work with- I was able to push that this isn't just PTSD and OSIs. That's an accurate criticism of how it's evolved thus far- perhaps, naturally, people suffering from those problems have been some of those speaking up loudest of late. But we've been remiss in not, up until now, sufficiently pushing the message that a lot of suicide is not PTSD/OSI related. We're aiming to correct that.

Word continues to come back in from units- support for this is fantastic. Thanks to everyone who's been checking up on guys.

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« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2013, 08:21:00 »
I have distributed it to my PPCLI Association branch here in Kingston (including the National Association President) and to the Senior Serving ERE here.

Well done on this. :salute:
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« Reply #73 on: December 24, 2013, 08:49:05 »
Through a member of my Association branch, this is now on unofficial distribution to the Ontario Provincial Police as well. Not only will it help the OPP (who are the police service of jurisdiction in many of the smaller places where some of our PTSD sufferers are located)  in their duties: it will help them as an institution as well. PTSD does not respect colour of uniform.

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Re-posting from the Send Up The Count facebook page- another suicide, this time in Gagetown. Please note we did NOT put the name up on the page until it was disclosed by the CF and reported in the media.

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Another sad day. We became aware yesterday of the death by suicide of WO Martin Mercier, of CFB Gagetown. WO Mercier was RCR, and posted to the 5 Canadian Division Training Centre. He was found at his home.

For every completed suicide there are usually several attempts as well. Sometimes they're more cry for help than serious attempt. Sometimes timely action by first responders and medical professionals saves a life. Sometimes it is the friends, family, and coworkers who catch that person in the attempt and are able to pull them back form the edge.

For every completion or attempt though, there are many people each day who hold back specifically because they have those in their lives who are showing that they care about them and their challenges, and who give them someone they can safely talk to about what's troubling them without being judged or cut down. We can all be that person- many of us probably have without even realizing just what we were doing for our comrades.

Keep an eye on your buddies. Remember the original effort of SUTC- find those guys you haven't talked to in years who you shared tours or time in unit with. Ask them if they're doing alright, and if they're released, find out if work, family life etc is going alright. You will never be wrong to flat out ask someone "Are you thinking about suicide?" or "Are you thinking about killing yourself?" We've had it happen here on this site and it's amazing how someone can open up as soon as someone that honestly cares asks the question. If you hear something from someone that worries you, and you don't know what to do- come here and ask, or shoot a private message to any of the admins, and we'll help out.
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