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MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« on: May 05, 2013, 19:02:20 »
see the story here
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/mackay-orders-rcaf-to-take-another-look-at-used-us-presidential-choppers-206198361.html


sorry for bad typing but only one hand in use, one arm in cast.
never knew we had these airframes.
how hard to get airframe worthiess paper work done?

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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2013, 19:51:31 »
Anything can be made to fly again. The question is how much will it cost.
What could possibly go wrong?

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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2013, 20:10:19 »
 The answer to your question on if these airframes are flyable is yes. According to the manufacturer in  an interview with Vertical mag        http://www.verticalmag.com/features/features_article/vh-71s-for-canadian-service-.html#.UYby3cprZ2E     AugustaWestland would be happy to bring the airframes up to stuff.


http://www.verticalmag.com/features/features_article/vh-71s-for-canadian-service-.html#.UYby3cprZ2E

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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2013, 20:27:31 »
Of course Augusta would be happy - such work means money for them.  And the need to ensure commonality with the current fleet would mean lots of work, probably at cost plus.

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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2013, 20:39:28 »
The Griffon is a sad excuse for a SAR chopper. It's good to see the issue getting some attention.

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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2013, 20:56:33 »
I wouldn't slag the Griffon. It may not be as sexy as the Cormorant, but it can go into tighter places. Anyone who has been rescued by the Griffon would beg to differ. Keep in mind...the US Military use the Blackhawk/Seahawk/Jayhawk series aircraft...not much bigger than the Griffon. They don't have anything bigger used for SAR...at all.
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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2013, 21:00:40 »
The Hawk series has a greater lift capacity doesn't it.
Apparently infamous for his one liners.
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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 21:18:25 »
I wouldn't slag the Griffon. It may not be as sexy as the Cormorant, but it can go into tighter places. Anyone who has been rescued by the Griffon would beg to differ. Keep in mind...the US Military use the Blackhawk/Seahawk/Jayhawk series aircraft...not much bigger than the Griffon. They don't have anything bigger used for SAR...at all.

Unfortunately those who have been rescued would not know the difference, those who have spent the night waiting for the weather to clear up are the ones with the better opinion. Landing in tighter areas is not a factor with a hoist equipped helicopter. No de-icing, no weather radar and cabin space so limited that only one critically ill patient can fit, makes the Griffon a poor choice for Canadian SAR...IMO of course  ;)

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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 21:20:59 »
I yeild to to gentlaman in the funny orange suit...:)
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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2013, 21:21:27 »
The Griffon is a sad excuse for a SAR chopper. It's good to see the issue getting some attention.

Better a helicopter perhaps not ideal for SAR than one not yet delivered or merely being discussed...  :2c:
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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2013, 21:25:09 »
Better a helicopter perhaps not ideal for SAR than one not yet delivered or merely being discussed...  :2c:

Agreed. I'm just pleased to see the issue being looked into. Hopefully a viable solution will be found.

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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2013, 21:43:58 »
3-4 Airframes back in the air is not unreasonable to hope for...Perhaps raise another Sqn?
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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2013, 06:46:50 »
3-4 Airframes back in the air is not unreasonable to hope for...Perhaps raise another Sqn?

I think that one of the objectives is to transition 424 Squadron off the Griffon and back to the Cormorant. As others have stated, the Griffon has limitations in the RWSAR role.

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Re: MacKay orders review of spare part fleet for SAR
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2013, 11:22:59 »
From my reading the airframes are mostly complete and have almost zero hours on them, only a 1 or 2 did test flights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_VH-71_Kestrel