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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #125 on: February 07, 2015, 11:24:07 »
Given how public this is I'd take my chances. People of all ranks should avoid this oxygen thief at all costs.
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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #126 on: February 07, 2015, 11:58:18 »
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Watts said he still loves being in the military, but his career has stalled.
He was demoted two ranks to lieutenant and given a severe reprimand after his conviction in December 2012.
He has since had his rank of major restored.


...and the ******' glee club at certain levels in the military still rule.   Way to inspire the troopies you clowns running this circus.


...and, hey *******, Lt. to Major in 2 years doesn't seem too stalled to me.
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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #127 on: February 07, 2015, 12:02:16 »
He'll prob claim PTSD over losing his rank for a short while.
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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #128 on: February 07, 2015, 12:29:21 »
...and, hey *******, Lt. to Major in 2 years doesn't seem too stalled to me.

He wasn't promoted from Lt to Maj; he had the former finding quashed, so his rank was restored - the original trial was essentially stricken from the books at appeal.  A different situation.


That would be an interesting study, though: look at people reduced in rank in court martial, and see how many made it back to their former rank, and how quickly.
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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #129 on: February 07, 2015, 12:31:23 »
He wasn't promoted from Lt to Maj; he had the former finding quashed, so his rank was restored - the original trial was essentially stricken from the books at appeal.  A different situation.
That would be an interesting study, though: look at people reduced in rank in court martial, and see how many made it back to their former rank, and how quickly.

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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #130 on: February 07, 2015, 12:37:52 »
The only problem with that, which I've seen, is that a vindictive losing unit may contact the gaining unit CoC and poison the waters for the transferring soldier (especially if they know why the soldier is leaving).

this is true. I always contact the gaining RSM to extoll the virtues of any soldier that CTs.
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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #131 on: February 07, 2015, 16:32:58 »
The comment about his career stalling is poorly thought out.
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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #132 on: February 10, 2015, 06:37:19 »
An interesting endorsement of sorts at Calgary city hall, shared under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42) ....

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Calgary firefighter, Major Darryl Watts received special recognition at City Hall Monday with a presentation that was a bit out of the ordinary for council.

Watts fought to have his conviction of negligent performance of duty from a fatal training accident in Afghanistan, overturned and has had his military ranking restored.

Councillor Diane Colley-Urquhart opened Monday’s council meeting commending his difficult fight.

“It will be five years ago tomorrow that he was heading up a platoon in Kandahar City when a horrible incident happened and there was a death resulting,” Colley-Urquhart said.

In 2010, a mine misfired in a training incident that killed a corporal and seriously wounded four others.

“It has been troubling. It has been very difficult, but he has had his rank in the Canadian Forces Restored,” she said.

A verbal ‘thank you’ to Watts was met by applause by those in attendance of the council session.
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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #133 on: February 10, 2015, 17:56:58 »
I personally find this shameful of the Calgary city council.

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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #134 on: February 10, 2015, 18:03:28 »
I personally find this shameful of the Calgary city council.

This happens because the vast majority of Canadians have little insight into the military world. The do not fully understand the concepts of The Principles of Leadership, accountability, responsibilty as well as unlimited liability.

In my opinion, this individual failed his troops...and therefore failed the nation.
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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #135 on: February 11, 2015, 14:21:16 »
This happens because the vast majority of Canadians have little insight into the military world. The do not fully understand the concepts of The Principles of Leadership, accountability, responsibilty as well as unlimited liability.

In my opinion, this individual failed his troops...and therefore failed the nation.

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Re: No new trial for Watts
« Reply #136 on: February 21, 2015, 00:12:51 »

Warrant Officer Paul Ravensdale, who was running the exercise that day, was found guilty of breach of duty causing death, breach of duty causing bodily harm, unlawfully causing bodily harm and negligent performance of military duty.

He was acquitted of manslaughter, but the now-retired soldier was given a six-month suspended sentence. He also received a fine and was demoted one rank to sergeant.

Kinda off topic, but im curious based on this situation. Since he was demoted to Sergeant and "retired" (im guessing) shortly there-after, will his pension be based on that of a Warrant or that of a sergeant? Does it depend on the amount of years he was a Warrant?

Edit: I have no idea if it was a honorable discharge or not.
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Re: Charges in Joshua Caleb Baker 2010 death
« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2015, 09:17:58 »
I personally find this shameful of the Calgary city council.

That's okay, Urquhart is one of the City's most despised and hated Councillors. She comes up with some pretty stupid sh!t
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Re: No new trial for Watts
« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2015, 11:51:39 »
Kinda off topic, but im curious based on this situation. Since he was demoted to Sergeant and "retired" (im guessing) shortly there-after, will his pension be based on that of a Warrant or that of a sergeant? Does it depend on the amount of years he was a Warrant?

Edit: I have no idea if it was a honorable discharge or not.

He was not sentenced to dismissal.  There is a possibility there could have been an administrative release; I don't know.

CAF pensions for the Regular Force (and some long-serving full-time Reservists) are based on the average of your est five consecutive years of pensionable earnings, not on your rank on release.
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