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Radio Chatter / Re: So I saw this meme and.......
« Last post by EpicBeardedMan on Today at 03:29:55 »
The Chief of the Charlotteville Police gave a statement. Basically, he said it was an Alt Right rally. Proper permits and all. Charlotte's racist Vice Mayor, kept stepping out of his jurisdiction to squash it. The ACLU took it to court for reinstatement, and won. He also said there were two side engaged in violent confrontation and there is video and statements that the melee started when the the white supremacists were attacked by those from the other side. When the chief said, "they had better equipment than we do." He didn't name a side. There's lot's of pictures showing how well equipped the attackers were. No one here can state how many of what side was there. If they give numbers pulled from a source, ten other sources will give different numbers. It will take tons of photos and identification people to say who or how many were there. It's, at this point, a useless stat used to bolster a discussion point. It's another of those things that will have to wait until the official Federal investigation is complete and the results released.

Just an aside and maybe someone heard, did anyone see how many were armed with those horrible 'assault rifles'  ::) did anyone get shot? Any ND's reported??

As an extra note, the car that plowed into a crowd of people already had damage on it, you can see in the footage. The driver claimed he was surrounded by protesters, specifically BLM and Antifa, and they were smashing in his windows so in a panic he just floored it to get away...but I mean, he's a Nazi in the KKK according to the media.
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Radio Chatter / Re: So I saw this meme and.......
« Last post by recceguy on Today at 03:06:55 »
The Chief of the Charlotteville Police gave a statement. Basically, he said it was an Alt Right rally. Proper permits and all. Charlotte's racist Vice Mayor, kept stepping out of his jurisdiction to squash it. The ACLU took it to court for reinstatement, and won. He also said there were two side engaged in violent confrontation and there is video and statements that the melee started when the the white supremacists were attacked by those from the other side. When the chief said, "they had better equipment than we do." He didn't name a side. There's lot's of pictures showing how well equipped the attackers were. No one here can state how many of what side was there. If they give numbers pulled from a source, ten other sources will give different numbers. It will take tons of photos and identification people to say who or how many were there. It's, at this point, a useless stat used to bolster a discussion point. It's another of those things that will have to wait until the official Federal investigation is complete and the results released.

Just an aside and maybe someone heard, did anyone see how many were armed with those horrible 'assault rifles'  ::) did anyone get shot? Any ND's reported??
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Canadian Politics / Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Last post by Loachman on Today at 01:58:01 »
And for those seeking entrance to our Country through legal means, there will be further delays...

Meanwhile, https://www.spencerfernando.com/2017/08/17/poll-majority-canadians-say-trudeau-not-enough-protect-canadas-borders/

POLL: Majority Of Canadians Say Trudeau Not Doing Enough To Protect Canada’s Borders

A new poll by Ipsos/Global shows Canadians are turning against Justin Trudeau’s border policies.

Here are the key poll results:
62% say the Trudeau government doesn’t have a solid plan to respond to the increase in border crossers.
56% say the Trudeau government having to call in the military shows the border issue “is out of control.”
67% believe those crossing the border illegally are doing so in order to skip the legal process.
56% say the government isn’t doing enough to protect the border from “those who want to cause harm to Canada.”

Trudeau government clearly out of step with Canadians

This poll confirms what many of us already knew: Canadians believe our border and laws should be respected. We are a welcoming nation, but that welcome must be on our own terms. There are many people waiting in line and following the rules, and they are being delayed because of those crossing illegally. And as the poll shows, Canadians are concerned that people who may cause harm to the country are crossing the border, and the Trudeau government isn’t doing enough to stop them.

That’s why it’s time for the Trudeau government to stop playing to the international press, and start listening to the voices of Canadians. Our border must be secured, and illegal crossings must be stopped.

Spencer Fernando
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Radio Chatter / Re: So I saw this meme and.......
« Last post by jmt18325 on Today at 01:47:04 »
Until they offend someone, then they get burned.

No, they don't.  Monuments that celebrate villains are quite different than books that ensure they're never forgotten.
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Radio Chatter / Re: So I saw this meme and.......
« Last post by EpicBeardedMan on Today at 01:11:47 »
A country that lost so many men and women defeating Hitler is no place for Nazi flags and slogans.

Unfortunately they died for the right of the people wearing Nazi flags to say what they want to say, due to the first amendment.

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Medication be damned.  I would never be comfortable around Li or trust anyone else like him, should they be returned to society.  As far as I'm concerned he just one step away from going off meds and listening to those voices in his head once more.  Those voices need their tongues  cut out.

The mania always returns if they go off their meds.  He should have been supervised for life at medication time.
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Yet, when I made the comment a few days back that our Justice System often favours the Criminal over the Victims, the cries came out again about "Human Rights".  This is one of many cases, and unfortunately we are forced to live with them even though they are morally distasteful.

Vince Lee wasn't convicted of a crime, so, that doesn't really make your argument.
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Radio Chatter / Re: So I saw this meme and.......
« Last post by mariomike on Today at 00:36:52 »
Extremism can easily grow when the circumstances are right and when the general population does not take a stand.

“Jews will not replace us! Jews will not replace us! Jews will not replace us!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n12sjwk9FBE

You can't allow this type of rabble to go unchallenged. That's exactly how things did start in Germany.

 :goodpost:

A country that lost so many men and women defeating Hitler is no place for Nazi flags and slogans.
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Canadian Politics / Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Last post by jmt18325 on Today at 00:36:01 »
Yup, the legalities are clear for sure.  If I need money, I can't just go to the bank and take it *in an act of desperation* and everything is cool...

In this case (analogies are generally terrible arguments), with those found to have legitimate claims, everything will be cool.  For those found to not, things will not be cool.  They'll be rather warm, as they'll be returned to Haiti.
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US Military / Re: USS Fitzgerald Collision 17.06.17
« Last post by FJAG on Yesterday at 23:58:51 »
Supplemental Navy Report on USS Fitzgerald post collision here:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3934451/Navy-Report-on-USS-Fitzgerald.pdf

From CNN:

USS Fitzgerald's leadership to be removed from their duties over June collision

By Ryan Browne
Updated 8:32 PM ET, Thu August 17, 2017

(CNN)The commanding officer, executive officer and senior non-commissioned officer of the USS Fitzgerald are due to be removed from their duties for cause amid the fallout surrounding the deadly collision between the USS Fitzgerald and a cargo ship off the coast of Japan on June 17.

"They will be detached from the ship for cause, which is, we've lost trust and confidence in their ability to lead in those positions and they will not return to the ship," Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. William Moran told reporters at the Pentagon late Thursday.

Moran added that the commander of the Navy's 7th Fleet, Adm. Joseph Aucoin, "has notified them of his intent" to detach them for cause a move likely to occur during their non-judicial punishment process, scheduled to take place Friday.

While the final investigation into the collision is ongoing, Moran said: "We do not have to have the investigation complete to start the process."

The Fitzgerald's commanding officer, Cdr. Bryce Benson, and the executive officer, Cdr. Sean Babbiit, were both sleeping, and the master chief petty officer, Brice Baldwin, was not on the bridge at the time of collision, according to the Navy.

The bow of the cargo ship directly struck the commander's cabin, according to the Navy's report detailing the immediate aftermath of the collision.

It said Benson "was hanging from the side of the ship" when he was retrieved by crewmembers who were forced to use a sledgehammer, kettlebell and their bodies to break through the door and gain access to the heavily damaged cabin.

Benson was medically evacuated via helicopter due to the severity of his injuries and he placed on limited duty status on July 11.

"There are a lot of sailors" who have undergone the non-judicial punishment process and "survived and done well," Moran said, but "when you look at what happened here, it's going to be pretty hard to recover from this."

While additional non-judicial punishments could be levied at the "captain's mast" inquiry, due to take place Friday, Moran said that Aucoin "has already made the decision to detach for cause" the leadership team.

"Serious mistakes were made by members of the crew," Moran said, adding that "clearly at some point the bridge team lost situational awareness."

One additional sailor has already undergone the captain's mast. Several other sailors are due to go through the process, including the people who were on watch that night.

The Navy also plans to review its training and qualification procedures in the wake of the deadly collision, in which the Fitzgerald was heavily damaged. It will have to be brought back to the US for repairs.

The Navy's report on the immediate aftermath provides a harrowing account of US sailors attempting to escape a rapidly flooding sleeping area that filled with water within minutes after the cargo ship's bow tore a hole in the side of the Fitzgerald. Of the 35 sailors in the sleeping area at the time of the collision, 28 were able to escape, but the remaining seven sailors died.

The report describes a chaotic scene following the collision between the Fitzgerald and the much larger cargo ship. Some sailors were thrown from their beds, while others remained asleep. Sailors ran through the sleeping area, attempting to awaken their still-sleeping crew members.

"At least one sailor had to be pulled from his rack and into the water before he woke up," the report said, referring to the Naval term for a bed.

The crew had to move quickly to escape the area using a ladder before the sleeping area became completely flooded, with the report saying the room "was nearly flooded within a span of 30 to 60 seconds."

"By the time the third sailor to leave arrived at the ladder, the water was already waist deep," the report said.

Rear Adm. Charles F. Williams wrote in the memo accompanying the report that the sailors in that sleeping area "should be commended for their response to the dangerous and deadly threat they faced."

Moran said the investigation will have to be completed before any medals or awards can be adjudicated to any sailors for acts of heroism.

An acting commanding officer had been assigned to the Fitzgerald following the collision, and a permanent replacement, Cdr. Garrett Miller, has been identified and is expected to take command soon.

The full investigation will have to be completed in order for the Navy to assign responsibility for the collision.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/uss-fitzgerald-leadership-removed/index.html
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